Yes. It can be done safely. I've done it safely on more than one occasion. Though every session is unique, a good rule of thumb is to watch the head. If he is while, watch it turn colors. Observe the level of life/fight in him via his hand or arm, or sometimes his flapping/twitching legs. Finally, after you are certain he is knocked out, wake him up fast. It only takes seconds to slip into a tragedy. Yes LuckyOne840, you may practice on my head.
Yes, I think a lot of guys -think- they'll enjoy it, but the reality can be very different. Wrestling is a fun hobby or kink, but it's definitely one where all parties need to know what they're doing, their limits and how to spot any warning signs.
That's why I say my preference is 'hard', I don't mind going a bit purple, but I'd need to really trust someone to go full-force.
I think it's important that one can fully trust his / her oponent. If you can trust and respect your oponent and your oponent can trust and respect you, you will have a good time. As you wrote - Wrestling is hobby! And meetfighters is here to give you an oppotunity to get to know (and hopefully meet) interesting, likeminded people. So enjoy it. :)
As you could guess from my screen name, I am into the ko side of wrestling. It isn't a hard requirement for me, but over the years I like the edgier side of things. I could try and go into the reasons why, but it would be lengthy and probably not all that interesting.
As has been stated, there is no such thing as guaranteed safety when you are going to make someone pass out. But I think there are some basic things to do that decrease the risk of something going wrong. So here's my two cents for what it's worth.
First of all, you can never do too much research on the topic. You can google blood chokes, rear naked chokes, and triangle chokes for an idea of how they work and how to apply them. Lots and lots of advice, some great, and some terrible. Find a friend who is a senior belt in jiu jitsu and ask their advice.
Once the research is done, the harder part is finding a good partner and building trust. I have friends of mine I have known for years and years, and we slowly built up the trust to the point where I can take them out, and they take me out. I can tell when I discuss with a guy whether he knows his shit or not. As an example, one guy online mentioned to me that he has choked guys out and held the choke for "a minute or two" before letting go. My quick assessment is that he is either a liar or an idiot with a death wish. Either way I am never going to wrestle with that guy.
If people are really interested in experimenting with passing out through an RNC or headscissors, I would try to find someone trained in martial arts who knows the proper technique. Yes you can sort of figure it out on your own and get lucky, but if you get it wrong, then things go south in a hurry. Another consideration is that all parties involved have to be honest about their health status. If you're on heart meds, blood sugar meds, psychotropic meds, etc........being forced to pass out is a really, really bad idea. A tight choke could cause some arterial plaque to break free and that is really a bad thing.
Ok, so with all the negative nelly talk I just spewed, I can say that when I have been put out, it's a rush waking up. I feel like I've slept for hours, and I enjoy being on the receiving end of a muscular choke. When I take a guy out, the rush is me feeling the power I have with my legs, and I think I know why anacondas enjoy sitting there coiled on their prey waiting for the panic to stop.
For me, the easiest scissor variation to make a guy sleep is a reverse headscissor, followed by the triangle. One buddy of mine in Philly just uses a straight headscissor with the victim facing his crotch and he just flexes his quads and puts people out in seconds. He's a beast though, so it isn't a challenge for him.
Hope this helps a bit. Feel free to PM if you want more details.
Agreed guys, I guess for the best is no KOs, and I believe most of those guys asking for KOs are probably just talkers, after all they are going to risk as jobbers, and I think near KOs are already exciting enough. Thank you for your honest advices.
Personally it is not something I would look for and my game plan is to tap if I know someone is putting pressure on the right spot to do it. However, if you and someone else decide to go for knockouts, what is you plan B in case it goes bad? You call an aid or medic unit while you are doing cpr? You planning to have both parties sign liability waivers - not that those do much good with lawyers involved?
There was a fairly ugly incident involving a F vs F wrestling video company where one of the women did a pile driver on the other and broke her neck. Given WWE does not let their wrestlers with a few exceptions do that move, I imagine the conversations regarding who was responsible for the damages went something like: "What is your training background to make you think that move could be done safely? You have been to a pro-wrestling school, right?"
I have had this conversation with many guys, they all wish me to KO them, but I always refused, because I know if that went wrong could cause brain damage or even worse, one has to know signs and count seconds etc, so here I am asking those experienced headscissor lover guys, have you ever deliberately KO someone or deliberately be KOed? how does it to be carried out smoothly that is guaranteed safe? Share your experience please, and I need to find a head to practice lol.
I'ts not a problem of finding a head for practice :)
As nwfan53 said - I don't think that there can be a guarantee that nothing goes wrong. On the other side - what else can happen while brestling? Hematoma, crushed bones, broken ribs, pullings, ... Wrestling / fighting is a risk. You can an should avoid risks. Yes. but where to begin? Beeing traped in a headsiccor - one bad turn by jobber and/or heel an you get hurt (in wost case with a broken nack...)
BTW: To have some first aid knowledge including how to do a cpr effectively, is always good for life. not only for practicing wrestling and or headscissord.
InkedRican (32)
2017-06-07 20:56Yes. It can be done safely. I've done it safely on more than one occasion. Though every session is unique, a good rule of thumb is to watch the head. If he is while, watch it turn colors. Observe the level of life/fight in him via his hand or arm, or sometimes his flapping/twitching legs. Finally, after you are certain he is knocked out, wake him up fast. It only takes seconds to slip into a tragedy. Yes LuckyOne840, you may practice on my head.
wrestlerspig (14)
2017-06-08 05:36(Som svar till detta)
good advice about being awakened asap after going out. The guys who took me out made sure I was brought around right away.
ThatOtherBoy (0)
2017-06-04 19:28Yes, I think a lot of guys -think- they'll enjoy it, but the reality can be very different. Wrestling is a fun hobby or kink, but it's definitely one where all parties need to know what they're doing, their limits and how to spot any warning signs.
That's why I say my preference is 'hard', I don't mind going a bit purple, but I'd need to really trust someone to go full-force.
darkwin369 (12)
2017-06-06 12:50(Som svar till detta)
I think it's important that one can fully trust his / her oponent. If you can trust and respect your oponent and your oponent can trust and respect you, you will have a good time. As you wrote - Wrestling is hobby! And meetfighters is here to give you an oppotunity to get to know (and hopefully meet) interesting, likeminded people. So enjoy it. :)
Cardiff (0)
2017-06-02 22:41Im looking for someone in the south wales area to take me through my first time ?
sleepforme (6 )
2017-06-01 05:56As you could guess from my screen name, I am into the ko side of wrestling. It isn't a hard requirement for me, but over the years I like the edgier side of things. I could try and go into the reasons why, but it would be lengthy and probably not all that interesting.
As has been stated, there is no such thing as guaranteed safety when you are going to make someone pass out. But I think there are some basic things to do that decrease the risk of something going wrong. So here's my two cents for what it's worth.
First of all, you can never do too much research on the topic. You can google blood chokes, rear naked chokes, and triangle chokes for an idea of how they work and how to apply them. Lots and lots of advice, some great, and some terrible. Find a friend who is a senior belt in jiu jitsu and ask their advice.
Once the research is done, the harder part is finding a good partner and building trust. I have friends of mine I have known for years and years, and we slowly built up the trust to the point where I can take them out, and they take me out. I can tell when I discuss with a guy whether he knows his shit or not. As an example, one guy online mentioned to me that he has choked guys out and held the choke for "a minute or two" before letting go. My quick assessment is that he is either a liar or an idiot with a death wish. Either way I am never going to wrestle with that guy.
If people are really interested in experimenting with passing out through an RNC or headscissors, I would try to find someone trained in martial arts who knows the proper technique. Yes you can sort of figure it out on your own and get lucky, but if you get it wrong, then things go south in a hurry. Another consideration is that all parties involved have to be honest about their health status. If you're on heart meds, blood sugar meds, psychotropic meds, etc........being forced to pass out is a really, really bad idea. A tight choke could cause some arterial plaque to break free and that is really a bad thing.
Ok, so with all the negative nelly talk I just spewed, I can say that when I have been put out, it's a rush waking up. I feel like I've slept for hours, and I enjoy being on the receiving end of a muscular choke. When I take a guy out, the rush is me feeling the power I have with my legs, and I think I know why anacondas enjoy sitting there coiled on their prey waiting for the panic to stop.
For me, the easiest scissor variation to make a guy sleep is a reverse headscissor, followed by the triangle. One buddy of mine in Philly just uses a straight headscissor with the victim facing his crotch and he just flexes his quads and puts people out in seconds. He's a beast though, so it isn't a challenge for him.
Hope this helps a bit. Feel free to PM if you want more details.
luckyone840 (26 )
2017-05-31 19:36Agreed guys, I guess for the best is no KOs, and I believe most of those guys asking for KOs are probably just talkers, after all they are going to risk as jobbers, and I think near KOs are already exciting enough. Thank you for your honest advices.
nwfan53 (8)
2017-05-30 00:13Personally it is not something I would look for and my game plan is to tap if I know someone is putting pressure on the right spot to do it. However, if you and someone else decide to go for knockouts, what is you plan B in case it goes bad? You call an aid or medic unit while you are doing cpr? You planning to have both parties sign liability waivers - not that those do much good with lawyers involved?
There was a fairly ugly incident involving a F vs F wrestling video company where one of the women did a pile driver on the other and broke her neck. Given WWE does not let their wrestlers with a few exceptions do that move, I imagine the conversations regarding who was responsible for the damages went something like: "What is your training background to make you think that move could be done safely? You have been to a pro-wrestling school, right?"
luckyone840 (26 )
2017-05-29 23:00I have had this conversation with many guys, they all wish me to KO them, but I always refused, because I know if that went wrong could cause brain damage or even worse, one has to know signs and count seconds etc, so here I am asking those experienced headscissor lover guys, have you ever deliberately KO someone or deliberately be KOed? how does it to be carried out smoothly that is guaranteed safe? Share your experience please, and I need to find a head to practice lol.
darkwin369 (12)
2017-05-31 12:23(Som svar till detta)
I'ts not a problem of finding a head for practice :)
As nwfan53 said - I don't think that there can be a guarantee that nothing goes wrong. On the other side - what else can happen while brestling? Hematoma, crushed bones, broken ribs, pullings, ... Wrestling / fighting is a risk. You can an should avoid risks. Yes. but where to begin? Beeing traped in a headsiccor - one bad turn by jobber and/or heel an you get hurt (in wost case with a broken nack...)
BTW: To have some first aid knowledge including how to do a cpr effectively, is always good for life. not only for practicing wrestling and or headscissord.